Bach, Batman; Amadeus, Avengers -- Sanity and Salvation in Numbers
Everyone else is offering free and unsolicited advice to DC Entertainment’s Diane Nelson, and I figured that I should, too. Hey, it’s how you stay “relevant” these days, right? Anyway: My advice concerns bookstore presentation and the challenges that it poses your funnybook subsidiary, and I offer it in the form of an experiment: Ms. Nelson, sometime today, walk into your local Barnes & Noble and head to the graphic-novel shelves. Now, find that little row of Batman books and ask yourself: Where do I begin? That one’s actually fairly easy to answer if you’ve read a newspaper or two: Frank Miller’s Dark Knight Returns. So now pretend you’re a potential customer returning for a second book and ask yourself: What next?That one may take some time to work out — if nothing else, there’s a sizeable contingent of comics fans who believe that the seemingly obvious answer, Miller’s Dark Knight Strikes Again, is a mistake — so give it a few minutes and then set it aside and ask yourself a second question: Where do I begin if I’m buying for a nine-year-old boy?
That’s the reason why those Batman comics aren’t selling better. And just about everything else, for that matter. You’re welcome.
— Dirk Deppey’s opening comments to the 16 September post on ¡Journalista!
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There is at least one idea I’ve been meaning to introduce (or perhaps ‘import’ is the better term) to comics scholarship and that is the idea of a Standard Catalogue.
…and something of similar name already exists. The Overstreet Comic Book Price Guide is an excellent reference for what it is. But… [jedi] this is not the book we’re looking for. [/jedi]
The closest parallel (indeed, my direct inspiration) is from music:
In modern music there is certainly a discography for each artist, though it is a rare artist or group who has enough albums to actually merit a comprehensive listing in (or out of) one of the major encyclopedic efforts — but the term ‘discography’ itself is a reflection of how easy it is to compile this kind of information, as songs are conveniently compiled onto discs whose publishing information and copyright date are known. In comics, a complete chronological listing of an author’s or artist’s work would be a nice thing to have — though that’s not the sort of thing we’re looking for in this case.
Also, certain music labels can be said to have a catalogue — Decca Jazz, Deutsche Grammophon, and Stax Records spring immediately to my mind (you may have other favs) — but this is also too broad: Marvel, DC, Vertigo, Dark Horse and Image could also be said to have catalogues of this type.
…and the confusion engendered by decades of output, occasionally byzantine (and even anti-consumer) numbering systems, naming conventions, reboots, crossovers, spinoffs, one-offs, and original graphic novels are exactly the mess we’re trying to sort out.
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Harken back, dear Reader — to an earlier age, a different kind of popular entertainment, and a similar rats’ nest of undated manuscripts, spotty publication, revision and deliberate obfuscation:
Imaging you’re a classical music scholar trying to figure out some way, any way to make heads or tail of Mozart’s catalogue: handwritten manuscripts in the composer’s own hand, first generation copies, fifth generation copies, works of dubious origin and provenance, and more often than not no indication of when it was written, why, for whom, or for which instrumentation past a few scribbles in the margin (when there is any marginalia).
Tack on a suspicion by some that W.A. Mozart’s father may have helped his young son with orchestrations and arrangements for the very earliest of works, and that other compositions from the very end of Amadeus’s life (notably the Requiem) have been completed by his friends and students and here is a tangle that makes a Hulk chronology look simple on it’s face.
Enter Köchel.
[If you hate umlauts, let me advise that it is more-or-less correct to spell that “Koechel” in English, and if you pronounce it ‘kershel’ you’d be a lot closer to the Deutsch than the incorrect ‘cockle’]
From the wiki: “In the decades after Mozart’s death there were several attempts to catalogue his compositions, but it was not until 1862 that Ludwig von Köchel succeeded. Köchel’s 551-page catalogue was titled Chronologisch – thematisches Verzeichnis sämtlicher Tonwerke Wolfgang Amadé Mozarts (Chronological – Thematic Catalogue of the Complete Musical Works of Wolfgang Amadé Mozart).”
This is one approach, and a very successful one. Though the Köchel catalogue has undergone several revisions (most recently in 1964) one can note that every CD released of Mozart performances will include the K. number as a natural, accepted part of the title of the work.
Using Köchel as a model, though, has one drawback: the catalogue is chronological, and a chronological listing doesn’t help when we’re trying to read Batman.
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We don’t have to stray very far before we find a second model. The Bach enumeration is more recent (1950) and addresses a different set of problems:
again, from wiki:
Schmieder chose thematical arrangement instead of chronological for several reasons, of which, probably, the two most important were:* Many of Bach’s works have uncertain composition dates. Even if the score is dated, it could mean nothing more than the date it was copied, or re-arranged, et cetera. …
* The Bach Gesellschaft had been publishing Bach’s works since 1851 (abbreviation: BGA); these existing publications grouped Bach’s works by genre (or musical form), so listing according to this established practice was less confusing.
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Ordering the complete list of Bach’s compositions by opus number or by publication date were both out of the question: Bach didn’t use opus numbers, and few of his works were published in his lifetime.
The BWV numbers (again, more German: Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis, or Bach Works Catalogue) like the Köchel numbers are accepted as the official listing and are readily found on CDs and printed versions of the works. And a thematic listing is just as valid as a chronological one, so long as it is internally consistent.
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And there are other music catalogues, for other composers.
The point I’d like to bring home is that these are works of scholarship, independent of the creators and publishers of the works (and often, ignoring whatever system publishers have invented for themselves, and also ignoring exact chronology when it makes little sense to strictly order things by publication date — even when those dates are known)
Someone (Köchel for Mozart, Schmieder for Bach) went through, looked at every extant work, and set up a system.
As is true of any work published in academe or as part of the scientific process: the systems they came up with were subject to review by their peers — and even after each was accepted as the ‘official’ system, later scholars (with proper citations and proof) have been able to add onto, update, and re-number works — and the whole system works without an Official Designation (which DC and Marvel would insist on, but Screw Them: they messed this up to begin with and can hardly object with any credibility when a fan of the right mindset, obsession, and academic rigor imposes order and gives other enthusiasts a baseline for debate, and gives new readers both an entrance to the property and established path to follow).
Given the tools available to us on the internet, and models to readily copy: we can condense peer review and community consensus into a single framework by adopting Wikipedia’s method (and even their software). What we need, though, are brave volunteers to submit the first draft: women and men with the breadth of knowledge to invent and introduce an enumeration, the strength of personality to sell it, and the fortitude to defend it against the slings and arrows of outrageous fanboys.
We need Scholars and Academics. We need Nerds. And the only barrier is years of work involved and the ability to get the word out. You could do this.
(I’d apply, but I don’t like comics that much — manga nerd, thanks, and ours have handy numbers already — and on top of that I have a hobby)
The only acclaim we have to offer is internet ‘fame’; the only reward the satisfaction of getting things right. Though… Köchel did pretty well; his is the K. on every Mozart CD, his name forever linked with the works he loved. Is this enough of an incentive?
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Are you aiming for a paper/linear catalog? If so, what is being cataloged? All the work of a given artist/cartoonist/writer? Every Batman appearance? The entire Four Color run?
The Grand Comics Database has made an impressive start on comic books, although they are a bit lacking with books about comics and collections.
Going back to your music analogy, how do you avoid the Beethoven problem? He numbered his works, then left a collection of unpublished works.
Comment by Torsten Adair — 17 September 2009, 13:46 #
The question Dirk presented is simplest, perhaps: new reader, walks into a bookstore, wants to read Batman.
So, we don’t necessarily need a full-bore exhaustive listing of all Batmen in all comics no matter what the title/crossover/continuity (Though if someone wants to do that nothing is stopping them) — the solution that would work in this case would be a much shorter reading list, one to two dozen graphic novels, with a suggested reading order.
DC could come up with their own, call it The Gotham Library Editions or whatever, such that someone could pick up book 1 and start reading, assured that the series would follow either a chronological, thematic, or narrative continuity as they progressed though each volume in order. Indeed, they could have done this 20 years ago, with a volume one to coincide with the first Burton film, and then we’d be up to volume 30 by now and the discussion would not be how confusing the Batman publishing system is (the lack of a system, rather) but instead how much freakin’ money it makes for DC year in and year out.
Even without an official Batman library, though, there are quite a few trade paper collections out there, some of them really excellent, and so we just need to know where to start (Batman: Year One) and then which to read next. Anyone could propose a list, write it up as a column, and then edit the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_comics wiki page (or perhaps preferably, get a friend to do so) with the list, “Recommended reading order of Batman trade collections” or whatever the heading would be, citing the article as a source —
[it might look a lot like this, though the wiki page could highlight it better:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_comics#Reprint_collections]
It’s up, public, and in a “reliable” source and so if someone is curious enough, they can find it with a Google search and can start reading tomorrow. I feel that something in the range of 12-15 books would be ideal, as after even a half dozen or so it should be obvious that you really like Batman and with 10 or more books under your belt you could pick up anything Bats and not be lost.
Which 12 books, though, and in what order? That’s the question.
To address Dirk’s other point, a similar list could be made for, say, the 12-13 year old reader (don’t know if we could go as young as 9, though) and promulgated in the same manner.
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As to the idea of a complete catalogue, well, obviously this would be nice as an academic resource. The catalogues of composers were initially on paper because the internet in the 1860s was sloooow. I mean, it took forever to download porn, and don’t get me started on how many days it would take to get a player-piano roll off of limewire.
We have tools today that make the process easy. If someone has a website and wanted to set up a wiki for comics, it’d take a weekend (though getting people to come edit it would take longer and be more difficult). Easier still, an existing comics wiki could just set up the problem as a new article, or hierarchy of articles, and we could start this evening.
The hard part is the actual scholarship: I can throw the idea out there, but we need a Köchel, Schmieder, or Biamonti to actually compile a list. As to what that list would look like?
There are at least four ways to look at Beethoven’s works, to cite an example and also answer your question:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalogues_of_Beethoven_compositions
The most recent is Biamonti’s chronological enumeration from 1968 that builds on the works of three others (the Hess and Kinsky/Halm catalogues) to include all of Beethoven’s creative works, not just the ones issued with official opus numbers. If wiki is a credible source in this case, there are 849 pieces — complete works and fragments — in the Biamonti Catalogue
If someone were to actually work on a Batman Archival Taxonomic System and started assigning these BATS numbers to all the main books, and perhaps a separate BWTF numbering system for things like Batman/Aliens, Batman/Judge Dredd and Superman & Batman vs Aliens & Predator (isbn 9781401213282 if you must know) — of course this would likely be a catalogue listing the first publication, in almost all cases the floppy pamphlet comic book[sic] and not the later collections.
No doubt a separate list could be made of the collections, but now we’d have two competing and overlapping systems and I don’t know that it would be an improvement. The whole idea of a standard numbering system is a bit obtuse and opaque to the casual reader anyway —
A Batman Library edition of trade paperbacks would be a much better solution but it puts us at the mercy of a movie company, DC Entertainment, who may not know how to best package the books of their premiere property.
Comment by Matt Blind — 17 September 2009, 17:46 #